On an early drizzly September morning I drove to Amersfoort. Fortunately, the sun shone on the way and I arrived in time. Ester Krook, from Business Goed Geregeld, had invited me to participate in her podcast '40+ and enterprising'. The podcast channel for 40+ enterprising women who have a mission and who add something beautiful to this world.

You can listen to the episode on Spotify.

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